Joe Biden on Ukraine Transcript, Impeachment & Defeating Trump

Joe Biden on Ukraine Transcript, Impeachment & Defeating Trump

October 10, 2019 100 By Luis Garrison


>>Jimmy: IT IS AN HONOR AND A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE.>>GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.>>Jimmy: SO WHAT’S NEW? ANYTHING GOING ON?>>NOT MUCH AT ALL. RUDY AND DONALD, I DON’T KNOW.>>Jimmy: YOU’VE BEEN IN POLITICS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. HOW DOES THIS RANK AS FAR AS ON THE OUTLAND ISHISH SCALE FOR YO THE LAST 48 HOURS, WATCHING THIS TRANSPIRE?>>18 OUT OF 10.>>Jimmy: MM-HM.>>NO, THIS IS KIND OF BIZARRE, YOU KNOW, IT’S RUDY GIULIANI IS A GREAT CHARACTER WITNESS THE PRESIDENT HAS.>>Jimmy: MM-HM. YEAH. IT’S HARD TO BELIEVE HE WAS MAYOR OF NEW YORK AT ONE TIME AND SEEMED TO BE DOING AN OKAY JOB. IT’S LIKE HIS BODY HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY ANOTHER BEING.>>I DIDN’T KNOW THE PRESIDENT COULD DO THAT.>>Jimmy: MAYBE HE’S MORE POWERFUL THAN WE REALIZE. IT IS ALMOST LIKE YOU AND PRESIDENT OBAMA LEFT THE DOOR TO THE WHITE HOUSE OPEN AND A BEAR GOT IN. IT IS, IT’S CRAZY. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] HAVE YOU HEARD FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA THIS WEEK?>>NO, I HAVEN’T.>>Jimmy: YOU HAVE NOT.>>I HAVE NOT.>>Jimmy: YOU GUYS DON’T TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF?>>NO, WE DON’T TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF.>>Jimmy: IS THERE A GOSSIP ELEMENT TO THIS SORT OF THING, OR DOES IT JUST TROUBLE YOU?>>LOOK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU STEP BACK FROM IT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME AND MY FAMILY. THERE’S NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY LEGITIMATE JOURNALIST IN THE WORLD GIVEN ANY CREDIBILITY TO THIS. THEY’VE DEBUNKED ALL OF WHAT HE HAD TO SAY SINCE GIULIANI STARTED THIS A WHILE AGO. WHAT I DO WORRY ABOUT, I DO WORRY ABOUT ALL THE OTHER FAMILIES THAT CAN’T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS CONSTANT DIVERSIONS INTO, LOOK, WE WANT TO GET HIS ATTENTION, HAVE 70 POLLS IN A ROW SHOWING YOU’RE BEATING HIM AND THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS HIS ATTENTION. >>I THINK THAT’S WHY I’M THE OBJECT OF HIS ATTENTION. BUT LOOK, THERE IS MUCH MORE AT STAKE THAN WHETHER OR NOT HE’S ACTING SO BIZARRELY. THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE WOULD CALL A HEAD OF A FOREIGN STATE, AHEAD OF TIME, WITHHOLD SIGNIFICANT AID WHEN THEY BADLY NEED IT TO HOLD THE RUSSIAN SEPARATISTS IN UKRAINE FROM TAKING OVER UKRAINE, AND THEN ASK, BASICALLY, TO, CAN YOU COOPERATE WITH RUDY GIULIANI COMING OVER AND THE THING I LEARNED, WE LEARNED, WE ALL LEARNED RECENTLY IS THAT STATEMENT THAT THE 2000 WORD STATEMENT RELEASED TALKED ABOUT GETTING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ENGAGED IN THIS. I MEAN, IT’S SUCH A BLATANT ABUSE OF POWER THAT IT’S, IT JUST, I DON’T THINK IT CAN STAND.>>Jimmy: YEAH, IT’S, WELL, DO YOU THINK IT IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE?>>BASED ON THE MATERIAL THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGED TODAY, IT SEEMS TO ME IT’S AWFUL HARD TO AVOID THE CONCLUSION THAT IT IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE AND A VIOLATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. BUT LOOK, THAT AE’S, I’M CONFID IN THE ABILITY OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE TO DEAL WITH THIS. MY JOB IS TO JUST GO OUT AND BEAT HIM. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] AND SO I, WHAT I CAN’T LET HAPPEN, I CAN’T LET THIS DISTRACT ME IN A WAY THAT TAKES ME AWAY FROM THE ISSUES THAT REALLY, THE REASONS THAT I’M RUNNING, THIS IS THE FUND AMOFUNDMENTAL REASON, OUR VALUES. HE DOESN’T WANT US TO PAY ATTENTION TO HEALTH CARE, WHICH YOU AND I BOTH KNOW A LOT ABOUT, NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT DEALING WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE RAMPANT ABUSE OF GUNS ON OUR STREETS. I MEAN SO MANY THINGS. LET ALONE THE INTERNATIONAL ISSUES WE HAVE. I MEAN, THIS GUY EMBRACES KIM JONG UN, TALKS ABOUT HE BELIEVES PUTIN OVER HIS INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, I MEAN, THE DAMAGE BEING DONE IS MONUMENTAL.>>Jimmy: HOW MUCH OF YOUR DESIRE TO RUN IS RELATED TO DONALD TRUMP BEING PRESIDENT? IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEONE, IF A DECENT MAN LIKE JEB BUSH HAD WON THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, WOULD, WOULD YOU FEEL AS MOTIVATED TO RUN?>>I GUESS THE HONEST ANSWER IS NO. LOOK, I HADN’T PLANNED ON RUNNING AGAIN. WHEN, WHEN MY SON PASSED, I, HE MADE ME PROMISE I WOULDN’T TELL ANYBODY HOW SERIOUS THE CIRCUMSTANCE WAS. SO MY STAFF STILL THOUGHT WE HAD A CAMPAIGN IN WAITING. AND WHEN I WENT OUT TO TELL THE PRESIDENT THAT I TOLD HIM I WAS DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO RUN AFTER BEAU PASSED, I, HE SAID COME DOWN TO THE WHITE HOUSE, TO THE OVAL, WE’LL GO OUT TO THE ROSE GARDEN, YOU MAKE AN ANNOUNCE MONTH. AND I SAID AT THE TIME WHEN I WALKED OUT, I FLKNEW I’D BE ASKG QUESTIONS IF I HAD ANY REGRETS. I’D DONE THE CANCER MOON SHOT AND WE’D MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS, BUT EVEN THEN, I HADN’T PLANNED ON RUNNING, UNTIL I SAW THOSE PEOPLE, NOT A JOKE, JIMMY. WHEN I SAW THOSE FOLKS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, COMING OUT OF THE FIELDS, CARRYING TORCHES. CONTORTED FACES, THEIR VEINS BULGING, SHOUTING THE SAME ANTI-SEMITIC BILE THAT WAS SHOUTED IN THE STREETS OF NUREMBERG AND BERLIN IN THE ‘3 0S, ACCOMPANIED BY THE KU KLUX KLAN AND WHEN A WOMAN WAS KILLED AND THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED TO RESPOND, AND HE SAID THERE WERE VERY FINE PEOPLE IN BOTH GROUPS. NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER, EVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF ANDREW JACKSON BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR. THAT’S WHEN I DECIDED, HOW CAN I, I’VE SPENT MY WHOLE LIFE DOING THIS, HOW CAN I REMAIN SILENT? BECAUSE I WAS RAISED BY A DAD WHO TAUGHT ME SILENCE IS COMPLICIT. THIS IS THE WAY HE HAS TRIED TO DIVIDE THIS COUNTRY AND PITTED PEOPLE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. AND YOU SAW IT DIDN’T JUST END WITH CHARLOTTESVILLE, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN EL PASO RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, YOUNG MAN SAYING I SHOT ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THERE’S A HISPANIC INVASION. WELL, THE PRESIDENT JUST WEEKS, AND THE 2018 OFF YEAR CAMPAIGN KEPT SHOWING THAT VIDEO OF PEOPLE MARCHING UP, WE’RE BEING INVADED BY LATINOS AND MEXICANS ARE RAPISTS, AND THIS DIVISION IN OUR COUNTRY IS JUST SO DEVASTATING, SO DEVASTATING FOR SO MANY PEOPLE, AND IT’S RUINING OUR STANDING AROUND THE WORLD, IN A WAY THAT IS GOING TO BE HARD TO — LOOK, WE CAN PROBABLY HANDLE FOUR YEARS IF HE DOESN’T GET US IN A WAR IN THE NEXT YEAR, AND I’M NOT BEING A WISE GUY. I’M NOT BEING GLIB SAYING THAT. BUT EIGHT YEARS OF DONALD TRUMP WILL FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THIS NATION IN MY VIEW. AND I, WE CAN’T LET THAT HAPPEN.>>Jimmy: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU BELIEVE STRONGLY IS THAT WE CAN REACH ACROSS THE AISLE, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS CAN WORK TOGETHER. YOU HAVE MANY FRIEND WHOSE ARE REPUBLICANS. IN FACT, LINDSEY GRAHAM TODAY SAID HE CONSIDERS YOU TO BE ONE OF HIS VERY GOOD FRIENDS AND THEN SAID, YOU KNOW, AND THEN HE TAGGED SOMETHING UNPLEASANT ONTO IT. WHY AREN’T MORE REPUBLICANS STANDING UP AND SAYING HEY, THIS IS, WE CAN’T GO ALONG WITH THIS ANYMORE?>>WELL, LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T KNOW OF ANY DEGREE OF CERTAINTY, BUT DIEI DO HAVE A SE THAT MOST OF THE TIME, WHEN A REPUBLICAN IS BEATEN IN A STATE THAT IS A PURPLE OR RED STATE, MEANING REPUBLICAN OR REPUBLICAN-LEANING STATE, THEY’RE BEATEN ON THE RIGHT. THEY’RE NOT BEATEN IN A GENERAL ELECTION, THEY’RE BEATEN IN A PRIMARY. AND DONALD TRUMP HAS SORT OF A, HE’S GOT THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHATEVER, 34% OF THE PUBLIC OR 38, I DON’T KNOW, HE HAS CONTROL OF THAT PART OF THE PARTY. AND SO IF YOU TAKE HIM ON, EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW VINDICTIVE HE IS AND HOW HE’LL GO AFTER YOU. SO THERE’S A GREAT CONCERN. FOR EXAMPLE, BACK WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE HOLDING UP, BEFORE TRUMP GOT ELECTED. THEY WERE HOLDING UP THE NOMINATION OF THE PRESIDENT PUT FORWARD FOR THE SUPREME COURT.>>Jimmy: MERRICK GARLAND.>>A FINE MAN, I CALLED 12 REPUBLICAN SENATORS, AND I SAID THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING TO BE DOING, YOU’RE SETTING AN AWFUL PRECEDENT. EVERY ONE BUT ONE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. BUT THEY SAID YOU KNOW IF WE DO THIS, IF WE CALL FOR A HEARING, THE KOCH BROTHERS WILL DROP $10 MILLION, $12 MILLION INTO OUR CAMPAIGN, AND I’LL HAVE A RACE OR A PRIMARY. IT’S GOTTEN DOUBLY WORSE SINCE TRUMP GOT ELECTED. I’M OF THE VIEW, LOOK, OUR POLITICS IS BROKEN, NOT THE SYSTEM. THE POLITICS IS BROKEN. AND IT’S GOTTEN SO MEAN AND UGLY AND DIVISIVE THAT I JUST THINK WITH HIM GONE THERE’S A CHANCE FOR, TO RENEW LIFE AND DO WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS HAS TO BE DONE. FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE END OF THE LAST TERM, THE THING THAT’S VERY PERSONAL TO YOU AND ME, HEALTH CARE. I CARE GREAT LAYLY ABOUT IT.>>Jimmy: YES, YES.>>AND BY THE WAY, I WANT TO THANK YOU, NOT A JOKE. [ APPLAUSE ] DON’T UNDERESTIMATE WHAT YOU DID, PAL. YOU FUNDAMENTALLY, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, YOU POINTED OUT, FOLKS LIKE YOU AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME DIFFICULT TIMES. AT LEAST WE’VE HAD THE WHEREWITHAL AND THE COVERAGE AND THE HELP. IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE, IF THE LIGHTS WERE ON, IF I ASKED ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE HAD A CHILD THAT THEY LOST TO CANCER OR A SERIOUS DISEASE OR A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND HAD REAL, REAL CONCERNS ABOUT A FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS IN EXTREMIS, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH ANYTHING LIKE THAT.>>Jimmy: TOO MANY.>>LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, JIMMY, WHO ARE DOING THIS, GETTING UP EVERY DAY, PUTTING ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, WHAT YOU FACED WITH YOUR CHILD, WHAT I FACED WITH MY SON. AND DIDN’T HAVE THE HELP WE WHO. THEY’RE HEROES. THEY GET UP EVERY DAY, AND I MADE A COMMITMENT, AND I MEAN IT. IF I’M ELECTED PRESIDENT, I GUARANTEE YOU, I’LL PROTECT YOUR FAMILY’S HEALTH CARE JUST LIKE I PROTECT MY OWN, AS IF IT WERE MY OWN. BECAUSE IT’S PERSONAL, PERSONAL.>>Jimmy: VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN IS HERE, WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK. MR. VICE PRESIDENT, IF PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD, AT SOME POINT DURING HIS PRESIDENCY, PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF AN IMAGINARY THING CALLED THE SPACE FORCE, WOULD YOU HAVE GONE ALONG WITH THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING, A DUTY YOU WOULD HAVE AGREED TO TAKE ON?>>THE GOOD NEWS WAS THAT I WORKED WITH A REALLY FINE MAN. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] AND THE DEAL WE MADE, HE ASKED ME, WHEN HE ASKED ME TO JOIN, I WAS FLATTERED HE ASKED ME TO JOIN THE TINCKET, THE BEST DECISION I EVER MADE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WORKED, JIMMY, WE MADE A DEAL THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS BE BLUNT WITH EACH OTHER. WE HAD LUNCH EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN WE WERE IN THE COUNTRY, AND WE WOULD BE COMPLETELY STRAIGHT WITH ONE ANOTHER. I ASKED HIM WHY HE WANTED ME AS VICE PRESIDENT, AND HE SAID I KNOW YOU’LL NEVER BE INTIMIDATED BY THE OFFICE. YOU’LL TELL ME WHAT’S ON YOUR MIND. WE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. WHEN HE GAVE ME AUTHORITY HE GAVE ME PRESIDENT ALE AIAL AUTH. WE AGREED ON 99% OF EVERYTHING.>>Jimmy: YOU’RE OUT TALKING TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. WHAT IS THE NUMBER ONE SUBJECT THEY BRING UP?>>BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT FLUCTUATES BETWEEN CLIMATE AND GUNS.>>Jimmy: MM-HM.>>AND, YOU KNOW, THE GENERATION THAT IS MOST ANXIOUS ABOUT THEIR FUTURE TODAY ARE PEOPLE BETWEEN 15 AND 21. BECAUSE OF GUNS. THEY ASK WHAT IS THE WORST THING, WHAT ARE THEY MOST CONCERNED ABOUT? THEY’RE CONCERNED ABOUT GOING INTO SCHOOL AND GETTING SHOT.>>Jimmy: YEAH, YEAH.>>AND — >>Jimmy: AND ALSO THE IDEA THAT OUR PLANET IS — >>AND SECONDLY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, QUITE FRANKLY ON LONG RUN, IS OUR PLANET IS IN REAL, REAL DIFFICULTY. WE SHOULD BE ACTING AS IF THE, LIKE JOHN KERRY SAYS, AS IF WE’RE DECLARING WAR HERE. THIS HAS TO BE A WAR ON DEALING WITH CLIMATE CHANGE. IT’S THAT CONSEQUENTIAL.>>Jimmy: AT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WERE YOU A MAJOR PART OF, DO YOU WISH THAT YOU’D DONE MORE AT THAT TIME?>>WELL, ACTUALLY, WE DID AN AWFUL LOT. WE INVESTED OVER $100 BILLION, $90 BILLION IN CLIMATE CHANGE. I BACKED WAY BACK IN 1986 INTRODUCED THE FIRST CLIMATE CHANGE BILL REQUIRING US TO CHANGE OUR FOCUS, ET CETERA.>>Jimmy: WHAT DID YOU START THINKING ABOUT THAT IN 1986?>>I COULD SEE IT WAS HAPPENING IN MY STATE. SPECIES WERE BEGINNING TO BE LOST. WE HAVE A LOT OF WETLANDS FROM ALONG THE DELAWARE RIVER AND DOWN THE DELAWARE BAY, AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS THEY WERE GOING, THEY WANTED TO BUILD REFINERIES, I ENDED UP BEING ABLE TO BLOCK THEM BY CHANGING THE ZONING AND WE ENDED UP WITH THE FIRST COASTAL ZONE ACT WHERE NOTHING CAN BE BUILT WITHIN A MILE OF THOSE WETLANDS, BUT BECAUSE I SAW FROM THE FOLKS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE, THE MARINE BIOLOGISTS HOW MUCH EVERYTHING WAS CHANGING, THE POLLUTION OF THE WATERS. LOOK WHAT THIS PRESIDENT HAS DONE. EVERY SINGLE BASIC RATIONAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION OR CHANGE WE MADE FROM THE CAFE STANDARDS, HOW MANY MILES A CAR CAN GET, NEED TO GET, ALL DWIGTHE WAY TO ALLOWING COAL MINES TO DUMP SLUDGE IN RIVERS TO DEALING WITH MERCURY, EVERY ONE OF THOSE HE’S WALK THE AWAY FROM.>>Jimmy: NOT ONLY THAT, ACTED AGAINST.>>HE’S TAKEN THEM BACK. ALLOWED THEM TO BE IN, ALLOWED THE POLLUTERS TO CONTINUE. AND HE GOES TO THE G-7, DOESN’T SHOW UP AT THE CLIMATE MEETING. HE ENDS UP AT THE U.N. DOESN’T WANT ANY PART OF THE CLIMATE. LOOK AT WHAT THAT, I WONDER IF THERE’S EVER BEEN A PRESIDENT, THERE HAVE PROBABLY BEEN OTHER HEADS OF STATE IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHO HAVE ADDRESSED THE U.N. AND NOT A SYLLABLE WAS HEARD FROM ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED NATIONS. IN SUPPORT OF ANYTHING. JUST SILENCE.>>Jimmy: YEAH.>>SILENCE.>>Jimmy: MAYBE HE FIGURES SINCE HE LIVES MOST OF THE TIME IN A TANNING BED IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CLIMATE.>>WELL, LOOK, THERE’S SO MUCH WE CAN DO. I AM, LOOK, AMERICA’S BETTER POSITIONED TODAY THAN ANYTIME IN MY LIFETIME TO LEAD THE WORLD IN EVERYTHING FROM CLIMATE TO CANCER TO DEALING WITH REBUILDING THE MIDDLE CLASS TO BRINGING THE WORLD TOGETHER. WE HAVE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD. WE’RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE MORE GREAT RESEARCH UNIVERSITIES THAN ALL THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. WE’RE NAIN A POSITION WHERE OUR WORKERS ARE THREE TIMES AS PRODUCTIVE AS THOSE IN ASIA. WE LEAD BY THE POWER BUT BY POWER OF EXAMPLE. WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING FOR US. IT’S TIME AS AMERICANS TO STOP FEELING SORRY, LIFT OUR HEAD, THIS IS UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THERE’S NOT A SINGLE THING WE CAN’T DO. I REALLY MEAN IT. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] THERE’S KNOWING BEYOND OUR CAPACITY, NOTHING ONCE WE SET OUR MIND TO IT.>>Jimmy: MR. VICE PRESIDENT, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN?>>I’M SAYING I WANT AMERICA TO BE THE ENVY OF THE WORLD AGAIN. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>Jimmy: THAT WOULD BE NICE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.>>Jimmy: VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN! HE’S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT